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Tuesday, September 16, 2014

Poverty, The American Dream, and Income Disparity in America

On Facebook I recently reposted this image, which started an interesting discussion:



The discussion went as follows:


  • Mary Beth I think everyone should be paid more...it is all crazy. It is so pathetic to even see how little the skilled workers get paid in San Diego
  • Steven Mason disagree. You raise minimum wage, everything from toilet paper to gasoline to milk will triple in price to accommodate businesses to pay workers.Those countries that that have high minimum wage all their goods are higher than ours.
  • Mary Beth Look at the price of gas...goes up all the time...effects prices of goods...now ask yourself what is fair. The middle class are being crushed by paying high taxes to compensate the folks who need gov\state help. The companies are making the money and they need to start spreading it around before people can't afford toilet paper 
  • Mary Beth I don't think min wage should go up everywhere in the U.S but it should be a law that major cities have to pay fair
  • Christopher N. Carroll I don't think that the working people are being taxed to pay for those on welfare is the problem so much as that those who accumulate the wealth of the nation don't get taxed at all! Even if they pay their taxes, and most don't, the tax rates on the wealthy are rediculously low. I looked up tax figures and economic growth patterns over the last 100 to 200 years recently for a project I'm working on, and the greatest period of grown this country ever saw was after world war II, more people became super-wealthy then than in any other period of the history of the world, and the tax rate on the wealthy was 97% You can't convince me that the cause of the problem is higher wages. Its taxes that are too high on those who can't afford it and too low on those who can afford it!
  • Steven Mason It's all the bureaucracy wasteful BS, thats taxes are being paid for. Give roads,a strong defense and medicare & social security and everything can just be thrown out.
  • Gene Arnold Every Congressionally mandated minimum wage increase in my memory has led to an inflationary spiral. I am leary of such things. And to put the discussion above in some context please find some recent numbers in US equivalent on a gallon of gas for: Denmark 7.93, France 8.52, Germany 8.09, and Australia 5.87. US average national price right now is showing at 3.45. My experience living abroad suggests other staple prices are also going to be higher. Artificial tinkering with the economy always has unintended consequences.
  • Christopher N. Carroll Good points, Gene! I think that one thing that we all forget is that it is one thing to talk about how things are compared to overseas, but a very different thing if we have actually lived there. Gene and Alicia have lived in several countries overseas recently, so I trust to their judgement a little more than to my own opinion when it comes to such things! Plus, centralized governments with a controlled economy have pretty much proven to be a disaster, and we don't really want to go that way, do we? Thanks for the heads-up, Gene! Now I've got to more carefully rethink my position on the issue. Hmmmmm .......
  • Christopher N. Carroll In reference to the comment that I made about tax rates in the Post-WWII Era: after what Gene commented, I must remind all that a lot of that more 'full-employment' we reminisce about when we think nostalgically about the past, esp. for those of us who didn't live in it, forgets one thing: Many people worked for below-poverty wages at the time. Am looking up wage info now, but a classic example is that referred to when people ask "Why aren't there Elevator Operators any more?" or "Whatever happened to those guys who would run out of service stations and work on your car for free when you pulled up for gas?" The reality is that those people got paid very little, far below what we would consider a minimum wage today. No one could survive on that sort of income now. The last bastion of such a stupid economic model in America is how servers in restaurants can make as little as $1.50 an hour, and have to survive on tips. Something stinks here ...
  • Christopher N. Carroll Another thought to consider: If you are against raising wages and your primary argument is that doing so will raise the costs of goods and services, and you are worried about the effects of that on the standard of living in this country and on the overall economy as a whole, as a corollary you also have to address how you feel about two other things: 

    1) By insisting on lower commercial prices for the goods and services that you want, you are in effect saying that you are willing to keep more of your fellow Americans in poverty in order to satisfy your own selfish desires to live inexpensively. How do you feel about that? And,

    2) The government in America now adopts some clearly Socialist concepts regarding subsidizing those Americans who live in poverty by taxing the working Americans (and not taxing the rich on their assets, or giving them loopholes to avoid taxation!), and giving some of the proceeds from those taxes to impoverished Americans as Welfare. What is you position on the Welfare State, and how does that jibe with your position vis-a-vis point number 1, above?

I wanted to continue that line of thought after reading several news stories about government figures regarding the poverty rate, but since I am so long-winded, I wrote something too big for Facebook to handle. So here it is:

My Two Cents Worth on Poverty, The American Dream, and Income Disparity in America
September 16, 2014

The figures showing a decline in the poverty rate in 2014 are misleading.

September economic numbers say that the poverty rate declined in America for the first time almost a decade. ('U.S. poverty rate drops for first time since 2006,' http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/news/economy/median-income-poverty-rate-down-census/index.html) The problem is that the poverty rate is still over 14%, and how can that be a good thing?

Plus, it is not the level of poverty at the lowest strata of society that defines the economic health of a society, but the economic growth rate of the majority of Americans that provides the engine of the economy with go-power. ('A Rare Drop in the U.S. Poverty Rate Doesn't Deliver Much Good News,' http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-16/u-dot-s-dot-poverty-rate-at-14-dot-5-percent-in-2013-drops-without-much-good-news)

The second story states that "[T]he total number of U.S. residents in poverty remained roughly unchanged last year, at 45.3 million." Exactly how is that a good thing?

The key paragraph of that story bears repeating:

'The data for 2013 portray persistent inequalities in U.S. poverty and income. [My emphasis. -Ed.] Median income for full-time, year-round, female workers was 78 percent of that earned by male counterparts. The poverty rates for Hispanic and black Americans (23.5 percent and 27.2 percent, respectively) were more than double that of non-Hispanic whites (9.6). “Over the last 40 years, since 1973, income at the 10th percentile was not statistically different, while income at the 90th percentile increased by 37 percent,” Census Division Chief Victoria Velkoff told reporters. The cutoff point for the 10th percentile in household income last year was $12,401; for the 90th percentile, it was $150,000.'

The biggest problem we have is that those living in poverty are stuck there, wages in general are continuing a decline that began in the 1970s, and the American Dream of upward mobility not just for the poor but for the working classes into the middle classes, and middle classes into something resembling the working rich, seems to be either dying or dead. This is reflected in the gap between rich and poor expanding to the benefit of the rich, instead of it being expanded by the inclusion of more Americans from lower economic classes, thereby also making room for economic classes below those an opportunity to climb the ladder, as well.

Just to run some more numbers, the last line of the first story states that 'The poverty threshold for two adults and two children in the U.S. is $23,624.'

$23,624 for two adults, assuming they are working 40 hours a week (which for minimum wage workers is unlikely), is a minimum wage of $5.68/hour. This means that if two adults living together each had a full-time job paying the the existing minimum wage, which is as of this writing $7.25/hour, they'd be making more than the poverty threshold, meaning that they would not quality for State or Federal welfare assistance. However, at minimum wage two adults even with full-time jobs can barely, or even cannot at all afford the cost of living in many places in America today,

A recent Pew poll suggested that as much as 56 percent of average American voters reported that their wages were not keeping up with the cost of living, while a majority of higher income Americans said that their income was either staying with or exceeding the cost of living (see Alaska Dispatch News story: 'States struggle to balance budgets as rich-poor gap widens." http://www.adn.com/article/20140915/income-inequality-states-struggle-balance-budgets-rich-poor-gap-widens).

This merely reinforces the data showing that the rich are getting richer, and everyone else are going nowhere.

Another example of the same comes from a Washington Post columnist (writing for the Deseret News): 'The roughed-up American,' http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865611018/The-roughed-up-American.html. He says that:

We have a peculiar prosperity. The economy is escaping the confines of the Great Recession; auto sales now exceed 16 million annually, the highest since 2006. But people don't feel reassured. They've lost confidence in the future. Americans feel roughed up by the economy, and their fears aren't fading quickly.

He goes on to say that the 'true middle-class squeeze' is that:

People's expectations about their living standards were set in the early 2000s, while their incomes and assets are stuck at levels 15 to 20 years earlier ... Having been roughed up, they face years of catch-up to get to where they once were. They feel poorer because they are poorer. They feel less secure because they are less secure. 

BTW, the author of this article has created some interesting charts showing the projected incomes and wealths of median and 'solid middle class' families, and he explains them quite clearly:

The left-hand column shows the income of the median family, the one exactly in the middle of all families. The second column shows the income of a group I call "the solid middle class." If the population is divided into fifths, they're the second fifth from the top: poorer than the richest 20 percent of Americans but richer than the other 60 percent. Though comfortable, they're not awash in money.

It is a short and insightful article, and well worth a read!

My two cents worth here are that:

1 Cent) Discussions and debate about such things as the minimum wage, or the poverty level, or levels of employment, or such politically-charged economic policies as 'trickle-down' economics or taxing the rich aren't ever going to solve anything. They, and other things like them, are simply symptoms of a much larger problem: that governments, even as large and powerful as the government of the United States of America, cannot get a handle on how to manage both the incomes and the wealth of their citizens.

That is to say, any government that cannot manage its tax codes, its paying for government expenses (including welfare programs), and its taking care of their citizenry - especially those living in poverty - is facing eventual ruin and collapse if they cannot manage the flow of both the incomes and the wealth of its citizens. This is because if the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer, and there are no economic classes in-between and no opportunity for there to be such classes in-between, and there is no opportunity for upward mobility from one class to the next, history tells us that that is a recipe for eventual economic collapse.

There is a point beyond which continuing growth only for the very wealthy is no longer sustainable (see Guardian news story 'Widening gap between US rich and poor is unsustainable, says study. Harvard study says situation unlikely to improve soon,' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/08/widening-gap-us-rich-poor-unsustainable-pay-harvard-workers?CMP=fb_us). The problem is that if there is no mechanism below that economic class that is sustaining a society, if the power of the rich collapses there will be no infrastructure in place that will prevent that collapse from destroying a country's economy and eventually the country itself.

2 Cents) That raises a bigger problem of how does any government manage the incomes and wealth of rich people and corporations who can move their wealth around the world to avoid taxation? Even if some governments banded together and agreed to some sort of unifying taxation system, there will always be others outside that system that will provide safe havens for the rich for the benefit of those countries and the ruling parties of those countries, at everyone else's expense. Besides, history shows us that in cases where it has been tried (with highly centralized governments and closed economies), that has not only failed but such economies have been miserable disasters!

I myself am torn on the issue, and have been for years. On the one hand, I think that if you can strike it rich you ought to be able to enjoy the fruits of your labors and be able to pass the majority of your wealth on to your legitimate heirs without some busy-body outside force punishing you for success and taking your kids' inheritance away from them in abhorrent taxes. On the other hand, if there must be taxation to subsidize welfare programs for the needy (which undoubtedly is needed!), then it is foolish to overtax those who make an income and cannot afford higher tax rates, and undertax those who make fortunes and can afford higher tax rates!

What to do? I admit that I am not smart enough to know. I just wish that know-it-alls who run for public office would admit it when they don't know, and not be sell-outs to patrons with agendas that don't include supporting the societies that they depend upon to make their fortunes. It's the age-old problem, isn't it?

In the meantime, I guess that fixating on the symptoms of the problem aren't going to help. Just so long as we don't forget that this is a problem that needs to be dealt with, and let corrupt officials and selfish 1%-ers get away with ruling the world, and over all of the rest of us ....

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I later added this to the story:

Here is more reinforcement of the argument that the problem is really one about our society not addressing the issue of poverty in the first place.

American paychecks fall to 1995 levels as poverty continues to sweep US, new census report shows
The Guardian > Money > US Money Blog
http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/sep/16/us-census-bureau-stagnant-report-figures

My Two Cents' Worth:

1 Cent) Child poverty rates in America are comparable to that in India? Shameful!

2 Cents) The reaction to that by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation? Even more shameful!

Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Two Cents Worth on
The Southern Poverty Law Center  

A person that I am very fond of reposted an article written by a social activist onto Facebook today, and predictably he got an argument started in the comments (that he ultimately had to put a stop to!) In his defense, and just to throw MHO into the mix, I wrote this reply, but because it is so long, good ol' Facebook will not let me post it. So here it is. enjoy!

Okay, I'm going to upset Keith again.

I hadn't heard of the Southern Poverty Law Center except in passing in the news, usually referred to in news stories regarding their legal activism regarding human and civil rights-related cases, so before I drew any conclusions and made a statement here, I felt it necessary to read the article that Keith reposted and to look up the Southern Poverty Law Center from as many different sources as possible.

This is what I found:

Almost all references to to the Southern Poverty Law Center are made alternatively by either far-left or far-right political activist organizations and their media proxies. The conventional media for the most part keeps their distance from the organization because of its questionable political positioning, much as they keep their distance from, say, Scientology, and for the same reason. Guilt by association leads to a general questioning of social authority when the source being referred to is a known extremist group.

The only source that offers a clearly and unchallenged positive perspective on the group is Wikipedia, and since anyone can write and edit a Wikipedia page at any time, we all know the validity of that source!

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a well-known advocate of protecting and defending human and civil rights in this country, and has successfully participated in several famous legal cases that have opposed corruption, abuse, and crimes against American citizens over the years.

As such, it has many important supporters and it  has made many powerful enemies. This is not a bad thing, as to succeed in legal matters you obviously have to oppose others and win over them, and they still have a right to hate you for it even if they lose the case. This simply proves that the organization has some merit or, being established by attorneys, knows how to play the game better than others, so to speak.

If that were all, everyone would be on the Southern Poverty Law Center's bandwagon. Unfortunately, that is not all. The group goes the extra step of being social and political activists for the causes that they support which, too, is not a bad thing. Everyone ought to support the causes that they believe in, of course.

However, it is how the Southern Poverty Law Center goes about supporting their causes that in turn causes the problems. They, being attorneys, are a quarrelsome and confrontational bunch. They prefer to get in your face and rub your face in the dirt, if for no other reason that that will discombobulate you, throw you off your guard, and make you easy pickings for their next oratory attack. How many of you took Speech in High School? Remember how they taught you the tactics of oratory? Winning is everything, how you win is just a tool to get there. Sure, that is somewhat questionable morally and ethically, but we're talking about winning legal and political arguments here, so anything goes, right?

Of course, that's why we all don't trust lawyers.

So, in that vein, the Southern Poverty Law Center prefers a strategy and tactics that in general moral and ethical terms puts them smack dab in the middle of the far left socialist extremist wing of the American Political spectrum. Or, in other words, arm-in-arm with individuals like Al Sharpton and groups like the ACLU. Again, not a bad thing if that is your thing, and such individuals and groups have done a lot of good things over the years. However, they have also done a lot of bad things, too. We're all human, aren't we?

The problem is that associating with such individuals and groups certainly paints you into their corner, so to speak. Of course, the same can be said regarding the other side of the spectrum if you join the NRA, or are an ardent fan of Fox News. Sometimes there is no accounting for taste, in either direction, eh?

And that is the point, ultimately: The Southern Poverty Law Center is clearly a liberal activist group and proud of it. More power to them, I say, if they can make it work. But then, I also say more power to the NRA for example, and I don't even own a gun. My point is that this is America, and as long as you aren't going around stringing people up from lampposts, you do have a right to express yourself. It says so right there in the Constitution (which everyone wants to fight over, too, BTW.)

Here is the nub of the issue, then, and probably where I will upset Keith the most. He always hates it when he says something that he thinks is very intelligent and clearly important, and you go and change the subject. I'm an Ogre, and I enjoy doing that to people just to get a rise out them. I just choose to do so when they clearly make a statement that exposes a slip in judgement, even if they are not the ones who made the slip but are just the ones who repeated it.

Sorry, Keith, I can't help myself. You have your pet peeves and I have mine. One of mine is that I hate to see a great guy like you get made a fool of by your blindly repeating propaganda spewed at you without stopping to think about it first, and maybe choosing to not repeat it at all. I know, we all do that; but you don't deserve to be made a tool like that, cos you really are an intelligent and caring guy. You just get passionate about the things that you believe in and other, more rotten people will take advantage of that. I hate to see that happen to you.

Sorry, pal; Love ya unconditionally, anyways. BTW, I think I mostly prefer it when you make such snap decisions and repost recipes about chocolate-based goodies, but again, that's just me.

My point is that here Keith has reposted something written by the Southern Poverty Law Center that is a pointed piece of propaganda, another small piece in their puzzle that they use to position themselves into the political fabric of legal and social forces of change in this country, that they use to convince other people to take up their point of view. Again, more power to 'em if they can make it work.

However, as such this cannot be taken as a reliable and unbiased source of information. Unless vetted, challenged, and showing opposing viewpoints, this is a one-sided argument and cannot be seen as anything but one side's point of view. As such, it is questionable both to promote this article as meaningful and to promote this article as an article of faith.

To protect yourself from barbs such as Randy is throwing, pal, you really need to preface such a reposting with a short comment about your position on such an issue before the link is put up. Otherwise, you are defenseless when someone with a heartfelt opposing point of view comes back at you, Keith.

You're smart enough to know that, but your passions lead you to act without thinking it through first. You've always been that way, that's one of the things that people love about you: you're smart and you're passionate, and you will go out and say what you feel. It's just that sometimes when you go and put your feelings out there on your sleeve they can get hurt, and I for one hate to see that happen to you.

So my two cents worth here are that:

1 Cent) Let's all be careful about what we post and how we post it, because doing reposting without a little review on the subject of the original post and its reasons for being posted in the first place can be a little reckless and dangerous, especially to each other, and we don't need to be hurting each other like that, and

2 Cents) Aligning ourselves with extremist groups on either the right or the left not only makes us targets for barbs that can hurt - which may not matter to you if you like that sort of attention or if you really think the position is worth fighting for - but, extremism itself is the biggest danger to a happy world, and we all know that.

There is a great quote that I'd like to repeat here but sadly I do not recall the name of the individual who stated it, or his exact words. Any fans of Ken Burns' Civil War documentary can probably quote it for you because that's where I saw it, and I hope that they speak up here and do so to share the information. But the quote is very important in this context, and I will paraphrase:

At the end of the documentary, a famous civil war historian and author made the striking comment that perhaps the greatest cause of the American Civil War was that people in America stopped talking to each other. They purposefully chose to defend extreme opposite points of view and would brook no other opinions.

Asked why this happened, the author said that one of the great strengths of America has always been that Americans have always found some sort of way to compromise. Not that that way was ever easy or without strife, but in the end Americans always found a way to get along.

It was only when Americans chose not to compromise that the country literally fell apart. That in the ultimate end is the downfall of any peoples: an unwillingness to see other points of view and make compromises, and that is the definition of extremism.

Want to see what the end result of that looks like? Look at the ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State and its behaviors today in Syria and Iraq. That is what uncompromising extremism looks like.

Who wants to see more of that at home?

I don't.

Please be careful when reposting items from one-sided points of view, people. That's a dangerous slope ....

P.S. Here are just a few examples of the articles that I found when I tried to do some research into the Southern Poverty Law Center. Clearly, there are no unbiased representations of that group to be found!

The article that Keith originally reposted, written by the Southern Poverty Law Center's founder and published on a politically left-wing blog: http://www.bemagazine.org/?p=9934

From The Daily Beast. 'Nuff said. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/13/agenda-21-the-un-conspiracy-that-just-won-t-die.html

Wikipedia's entry on the Southern Poverty Law Center:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

From a site that looks like a leftist blog but acts like a rightist blog: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/26/FBI-Dumps-Southern-Poverty-Law-Center

And from a clearly right-wing activist site that models itself on Wikipedia: http://www.conservapedia.com/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

Thursday, August 14, 2014

Ferguson, Missouri, August 2014:
An obsrevation 

Regarding the Civil Crisis of August 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri, U.S.A.
A Commentary
August 14, 2014

As an observer living in the same American State but not in that city, I feel like we need to wait for the outside investigation to find out what really happened there before I draw any conclusions about it myself. I recommend everyone else do that as well before getting all emotional and saying or doing something rash regarding something about which we actually, factually know very little. I also realize that this recommendation is likely to go unheeded in the future and likely has already gone unheeded in the past and the present. Such is the way we live. Some things just are, and some things just suck.

So why do I even bring it up? Because there are three things that really annoy me about everything that is happening there as it happens, and about what other people are saying and doing (or not doing) about it:

1) People who really are only taking advantage of the situation for their own careers and/or agendas (outside agitators like Al Sharpton, etc.) are making the situation worse, as usual, simply because they can.Freedom of Speech is necessary for a just and lawful society, but when it is subverted and/or abused, man, that really, really sucks!

2) That sort of includes the rioters, who really care more about looting than about any injustice that has happened. Not to mention add in all the stupid commentators (like Rush Limbaugh, etc.) who are also taking advantage of the riots primarily to benefit themselves and their careers and/or agendas. I mean, forget about what 'ought to be,' it really does seem that riots always happen no matter how "civilized" people get principally and mainly because some people are just stupid asshats, and that has nothing to do with anything except that some people are just stupid asshats.

3) Worse, the police there seem to be not just over-reacting but kind of going nuts over-reacting:

---Telling people standing in their own yards to go home, and then using stun and chemical explosives on them for being on their own properties  (weapons which are banned by international treaty as weapons of mass destruction, but seem perfectly fine to use on your own populations in their own homes in your own country, apparently.) The Ferguson police are also using those weapons on news reporters; Yeah, that's gonna get the press on your side ...

---Did you know that that city is one of many that don't use dash cams in police cars? Why not? The police chief here in Springfield, Missouri made a statement in the news on the third day of this crisis regarding what is going on up there, saying that the use of dash cams is instrumental in keeping cops honest and reducing claims of abuse nationwide, and that he is trying to follow the trend of getting cameras mounted on the cops themselves to get that kind of monitoring expanded even further. Why are they not doing so up in that city?

---On top of shutting down airspace over the city and preventing anyone, including news reporters and citizens living in the city, from entering or leaving (something not even Chicago did following the rash of murders during and following the Fourth of July this year) the police there have harassed and arrested national news reporters on the scene without cause or warrant, as if it were some third world authoritarian dictatorship and its regime up there or something. WTF indeed! When did Missouri turn into some crazy, petty little tyrannical police state?

---Far worse indeed is that others who we expect to and rely upon to keep the peace and be our 'Leaders' have said and done nothing regarding the issue for days. Look at a map of the area: If you didn't live up there, or looked at a statewide- or nationwide-scaled map you'd think that that city, a suburb of St. Louis, was within the bounds of and a part of St. Louis itself. Why have we heard little or nothing from the political leaders and top cops of that city? Why have we heard little or nothing from the authorities and top cops of that county and of the State of Missouri? Why have we heard little or nothing from the 'leaders' we elected to represent us in the United States Congress, or even the President of the United States until days later? I have claimed for decades now that what we are missing most in this country is real leadership and real leaders, and here is a shining example of that. This sort of do-nothingism is exactly the sort of thing that opens the door to interfering, invasive outsider busybodies like the United Nations to come into states and countries like ours and force us to do what they want us to do (often represented by the paid stooges of known authoritarian dictatorships whose hobby it seems to be to commit international war crimes against not only their neighbors but their own citizens.) We know that such organizations actually exist to usurp the sovereign rights of nations to make and uphold their own laws in their own lands; that's what they were made for and what the United States and other "civilized" nations use them for. Don't believe me? Read their charters, it really is all there to see.What we really don't need in the extreme is stupid, hateful foreigners with ignorant or destructive agendas telling us what we can and can't do in our own homeland, measured out to their own satisfaction and to our eventual destruction. By the way, is it irony or hypocricy that says that while we don't want anyone doing that to us, it is perfectly okay for us to do that to the rest of the world? Hmmm. In any case, way to go morons of the world ... er, 'our precious leaders.'

What is going on up there reminds me a lot of what happened in New Orleans after Katrina. Police officers and top cops behaved that way there at that time, and have been prosecuted and jailed for what they have done. I have the feeling that that same sort of thing is what will come from a Federal investigation of what is going on in Ferguson now, even if it turns out that the eyewitnesses to the original shooting were found out to be exaggerating or lying about what happened and how it happened then. Just another sad commentary on our "civilization" in today's world. Today I am ashamed to be a Missourian because of what is going on up there, and very thankful that I live on the extreme other side of the state from there in a community that is culturally and politically very different from that community up there.